Georgia: I have actually been generous in extending my normal comments policy. A major theme of this blog is discussion. Making mistakes, being human, learning together. Read the comments.
People have corrected me, I have thanked them and gone back and fixed what I wrote, with credit to the person who educated me. I publish things with which I disagree, although as I mention in my policy, if I publish a post advocating using aversive methods, I make a counter response. I do stand by my comments policy in reminding everyone that my time is my own. I decide what to write about. I think this discussion has probably been valuable to my readers, so I am continuing to publish comments, but at some time I may close them.
I have had numerous encounters with people who have used Bark Busters in the past. For the most part, the training was, at best, ineffective usually the issue has been barking.
In the worst case, a door barker stopped barking at the door and starting biting people coming through the door. I will say that in three instances, the owner reported that BB did not or would not return phone calls or emails when the clients called asking for help due the escalation of the problems.
I see the owners whose dog has gone from barking to biting. I have been in this business since , i am considered a professional dog trainer and dog behavior consultant. I am also familiar with Bark Busters as a franchise and as a company. Here are some direct quotes. Page 5 BAH spoken in a normal tone with the correct body language, it will probably be ignored by a dog. A low growl BAH 2. A louder growl BAH 3. A low growl BAH in unison with a firm clap of the hands or if on lead a quick check of the collar 4.
A louder growl BAH in unison with a firm clap of the hands or if on lead a quick check of the collar 5. A low growl BAH coupled with a squirt of water from a spray bottle or dropping a water bomb or the bark Busters training pillow 6. A louder growl BAH coupled with a squirt of water from a spray bottle or dropping a waer bomr or the bark Busters training pillow.
Page If your dog exhibits aggressive behavior toward other people or animals …. As soon as your dog begins to act aggressively, have the person in hiding pop into sight and correct your dog by growling the BAH word and using a recommended training aid….. Do not allow your dog to retreat after being corrected. The new response should also be corrected using the BAH word and if necessary the water spray bottle or a training pillow….
To control this type of problem, you need to show the dog that you are dominant. Start with the conditioning methods described in section Three.
With your dog on a lead, start to take the object away. Use a water spray bottle or drop the training pillow near the dog and growl BAH at the exact moment it snaps or growls ….
We know better. This is outdated, dangerous and just plain stupid! So here is my personal experience with BB. The woman who owns the local franchise came up to me after I gave a talk on dog behavior. BTW I already knew about BB because my brother ha sent me an article in his local paper about their local franchise owner.
I knew that this was not a method I would recommend anyone use, but I also did some research at that time.
That only confirmed my initial conclusion. I could never recommend anything about BB to anyone. Yes, those were the choices! They had a 12 yr old dog and had never trained a dog in their life. I told her no, that was not true because, as I had said earlier I do not use positive punishment.
Her face went blank. I explained that adding something aversive to decrease stop a behavior was positive punishment.
She seemed still a little confused, so I gave her an example. Her face lit up! I just rolled my eyes and started to gather my things. She had one more thing she wanted to talk about. I did not want to know what her dog was supposed to do And she also thought her dog was not agile enough to get out of the way of an attack. Because I had mentioned I had Labs, she wanted me to recommend where she might get a Lab puppy, because that seemed like the perfect dog to work with her aggressive clients.
Yes, she was going to use a puppy, and subject it not only to aggression but possible attacks. I just had to walk away. The Founders of Bark Busters have their say. As the Founders of Bark Busters International we appreciate that everyone is entitled to their point of view. Although opinions can be constructive, they can also be very destructive and not always based on Fact and sometimes pure Myths. We are well aware that some training methods can be called ultra-soft and others ultra-hard.
As the founders of Bark Busters that has over trainers across the globe, we definitely do not get involved in debating about other trainers techniques i. Our training leans more to the lower softer end as opposed to higher tougher end of the spectrum, as we do NOT use electric collars, pronged collars, alpha rolling, scruffing, poking, hitting or hurting the dog in anyway.
Bark Busters is a Worldwide organization established in 7 countries As an organisation with over trainers globally, we have a strict code of conduct that does not allow Bark Busters trainers to enter into negative conversations about other dog training methods or other dog trainers. We are bound by a strict code of ethics that forbids our trainers from doing that. Owners will get it wrong and will search around for other methods.
Shelters packed to the rafters. If we all truly love dogs then we would direct our energies to more productive pursuits that can truly help dogs and not negative pursuits. If others think they have a better way to train dogs, we salute you, no need to fear us. Sylvia Wilson, our co-founder, managed an RSPCA shelter for 10 years where she saw many dogs surrendered for behavioural problems.
This was the catalyst behind the formation of Bark Busters. She saw first-hand the failure of dog owners and their frustrations at trying to cope with their out of control dogs. She wanted to help dog and their owners to find humane solutions to solve problems that would usually see dogs surrendered. We should not be fighting each other but we should be fighting the problem. Whenever we are asked about another dog trainer our competitors, regardless of who they are asking about or what they do, our answer is always the same.
We can only tell you what we do. For us to comment would be very unprofessional and we pride ourselves on being professional. We have used this statement for the last 25 years. We believe that dog trainers in general, should all build their reputation on their own ability and knowledge to train dogs not by tearing others down. Bark Busters trainers are all dog passionate, professional, caring people, who take what they do seriously and we invite you all to learn more about what we do by checking out our websites.
We have an extensive, comprehensive procedures manual and our training is constantly upgraded and tested at conferences and training seminars. We take what we do very seriously because we work with a living breathing creature. Bark Busters never turns any dog away, regardless of how aggressive or how difficult the situation is. All of the Bark Busters trainers have to adhere to a strict code of ethics, which amongst other things, states that our people cannot recommend the euthanasia or surgical debarking of any dog.
We would never recommend any cruel inhumane training methods. We never take a dog out of sight of the client and all training is conducted in their presence. We know this will never stop the negative comments but we hope you have a more informed view of us now. As a professional dog trainer I am heartened to see that the information we have gained from decades of research into animal behavior and learning is FINALLY filtering into the heads of the general pet owning populations in part due to blogs like this.
No surprise that companies that have founded their services and products on outdated methods and information would feel threatened by it, along with the people who have subscribed to their version of dog manipulation.
If we ever do manage to attain some kind of regulation in the dog training industry and create standards of practice based on science and animal welfare, practices like the ones used by this company will likely be understood for what they are; potentially dangerous rubbish. The science supports you Ms.
Professional animal care and training organizations support you. I applaud you. I used to train like this. Not specifically using a BB trainer, but using these and similar methods. I did have a decent compliance rate and saw no reason to change my training style from something that worked to cookie pushing.
Then I acquired a dog that forced me to change what I was doing. And I found that I did not need to use the coercion or aversion that this type of training embraces to change behavior. My compliance rate dipped a bit initially, then soared. It was amazing how much easier it is to train without the use of methods like these described here.
What always baffles me is this: If I can achieve the same compliance, accuaracy and precision without the use of aversives, why would anyone chose to use them? How I wish someone had shown me what was possible before I ever did anything like this to my dog. I am still trying to end comments on the post. Maybe third time is the charm. I may open them again at a later date. Many people, including the founders of the company, have had their say.
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Great article! A combat-ready unit is not inspection-ready and an inspection-ready unit is not combat-ready. Very good points, Madeline. Thanks for commenting and for your kind words.
Are they really loosing something that is creating more problems? Unfortunately I think it is only people within the industry that see right through that. There is no affection, it is simply a release from pressure or torture… In the past two years I have worked with more than my fair share of dogs that no longer trust strangers, men in particular.
Thank you so much for exposing this group. I am pretty sure shock collars are used! Aah, transparency. But it seems your definition of transparency is my phone number.
FYI, BB have been made aware of this blog post and will be dealing with it appropriately. If you are mistaken, then you should be sure of your information, before you publish materials. Thanks for the hard work, Eileen. Love your blog! Thank you so much! And absolutely agree, The DogSmith rocks! A louder growl BAH coupled with a squirt of water from a spray bottle or dropping a waer bomr or the bark Busters training pillow Page If your dog exhibits aggressive behavior toward other people or animals ….
The new response should also be corrected using the BAH word and if necessary the water spray bottle or a training pillow… page To deal with Kleptomania If your dog becomes aggressive when you try to retrieve the item, a cure must be implemented.
Use a water spray bottle or drop the training pillow near the dog and growl BAH at the exact moment it snaps or growls … If i read these in a training manual at the worlds first SPCA, London i may think Mmmm OK, but come on its people. Excellent job Eileen! People need to know the truth so they can make educated choices! Eileen, another wonderful blog!!! Thank you, Kim! Loading Comments Therefore, many behavioral issues can be traced to pack dysfunctions, while many solutions are created through pack re-organization.
Dog perceptive and communicative abilities govern how and what they learn. What is it like to be a dog? Although dogs and their owners have similarities, significant differences remain. We look and act differently. We perceive the world differently, too.
An integral element of dog training is how a trainer communicates, which is a primary determinant of whether or not he will be understood.
Bark Busters structures our communications with this in mind — with body language, voice tones, timing and sequence — to replicate the canine communications model. By doing so we foster better understanding and therefore, more complete learning.
Imagine if humans only had a few words to work with and no hands to sign with — they would resort to positioning, expressions and intensity more in communication. How Dogs Learn Dogs like to feel safe and secure. They like to know that a strong leader is guiding them and the pack.
Establishing a clear hierarchy and making them feel protected are two essential components of a good training system. There are no complex commands, gestures, food, bribing or physical interventions involved. When mom leaves and the pup tries to follow, mom faces the pup and growls and the pup stops. If the pup stays, she adjusts her posture showing approval and begins to depart. If the pup tries to follow again, mom will once again address the challenge but with more intensity barking, growling and sometimes even snapping until the pup stops.
It is so effective because it is based on the way dogs naturally communicate. There is no harsh treatment, clickers or treats involved.
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